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		<title>By: AT&#38;T&#8217;s New Early-Termination Fee for the iPhone: $325 - Virtual Techs</title>
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		<dc:creator>AT&#38;T&#8217;s New Early-Termination Fee for the iPhone: $325 - Virtual Techs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 May 2010 00:18:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] not quite as bad as the one already implemented by rival Verizon (VZ). Last November, that carrier doubled its smartphone ETF from $175 to $350, a move AT&amp;T was quick to cite as partial justification for its own [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] not quite as bad as the one already implemented by rival Verizon (VZ). Last November, that carrier doubled its smartphone ETF from $175 to $350, a move AT&amp;T was quick to cite as partial justification for its own [...]</p>
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		<title>By: AT&#38;T&#8217;s New Early Termination Fee for the iPhone: $325 &#124; John Paczkowski &#124; Digital Daily &#124; AllThingsD</title>
		<link>http://digitaldaily.allthingsd.com/20091106/ve/comment-page-1/#comment-39838</link>
		<dc:creator>AT&#38;T&#8217;s New Early Termination Fee for the iPhone: $325 &#124; John Paczkowski &#124; Digital Daily &#124; AllThingsD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 May 2010 18:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] $325. That’s a pretty steep increase from $175. Though to be fair, it’s not quite as bad as the one already implemented by rival Verizon. Last November, the carrier doubled its smartphone ETF, raising it to $350 from $175. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] $325. That’s a pretty steep increase from $175. Though to be fair, it’s not quite as bad as the one already implemented by rival Verizon. Last November, the carrier doubled its smartphone ETF, raising it to $350 from $175. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Is Verizon&#8217;s $350 Early-Termination Fee Anti-Consumer? &#124; GadgetMania Gadgets and Gadget News</title>
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		<dc:creator>Is Verizon&#8217;s $350 Early-Termination Fee Anti-Consumer? &#124; GadgetMania Gadgets and Gadget News</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Dec 2009 05:00:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: tony orangeman</title>
		<link>http://digitaldaily.allthingsd.com/20091106/ve/comment-page-1/#comment-17885</link>
		<dc:creator>tony orangeman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 00:27:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Phil - i am surprised that John didn&#039;t come out and defend Verizon in response to your post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phil &#8211; i am surprised that John didn&#8217;t come out and defend Verizon in response to your post.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Welch</title>
		<link>http://digitaldaily.allthingsd.com/20091106/ve/comment-page-1/#comment-17521</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric Welch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 16:02:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is it any wonder why I won&#039;t switch to Verizon for any reason?

Can you hear me now Verizon? They&#039;re out of their minds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is it any wonder why I won&#8217;t switch to Verizon for any reason?</p>
<p>Can you hear me now Verizon? They&#8217;re out of their minds.</p>
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		<title>By: phil light</title>
		<link>http://digitaldaily.allthingsd.com/20091106/ve/comment-page-1/#comment-17519</link>
		<dc:creator>phil light</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 14:32:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s an idea Verizon, don&#039;t treat your customers like garbage and improve your network so people don&#039;t want to leave.  This is just a sign that Verizon is bleeding customers like mad and they&#039;re trying to keep them by trying to charge a ridiculous fee to leave.  Verizon is the worst cell company of them all (yes, I&#039;ve been with them all).

Customer service - POOR
Signal Strength - FAIR
Billing - POOR
Stability of Service - POOR

God forbid you ever have to call them for anything other than a simple question that their dumbest tech can answer.

This hike in ETF is just proof that VZ has no idea how to retain customers.  They spend all their money on getting new customers with crappy tv ads and propaganda then once you&#039;re in you realize what a crappy service/company it is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s an idea Verizon, don&#8217;t treat your customers like garbage and improve your network so people don&#8217;t want to leave.  This is just a sign that Verizon is bleeding customers like mad and they&#8217;re trying to keep them by trying to charge a ridiculous fee to leave.  Verizon is the worst cell company of them all (yes, I&#8217;ve been with them all).</p>
<p>Customer service &#8211; POOR<br />
Signal Strength &#8211; FAIR<br />
Billing &#8211; POOR<br />
Stability of Service &#8211; POOR</p>
<p>God forbid you ever have to call them for anything other than a simple question that their dumbest tech can answer.</p>
<p>This hike in ETF is just proof that VZ has no idea how to retain customers.  They spend all their money on getting new customers with crappy tv ads and propaganda then once you&#8217;re in you realize what a crappy service/company it is.</p>
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		<title>By: tony orangeman</title>
		<link>http://digitaldaily.allthingsd.com/20091106/ve/comment-page-1/#comment-17514</link>
		<dc:creator>tony orangeman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 03:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hmm seems my comment was erased - ok will try again.

I think it is not balanced how WSJ reports on VZ versus AT&amp;T and Sprint. If either of those raised it&#039;s ETF, Mr. Paczkowski would be all over them. 

Both Sprint and AT&amp;T subsidies their phones. How much do you think the subsuidy is for an iPhone or a PRE?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hmm seems my comment was erased &#8211; ok will try again.</p>
<p>I think it is not balanced how WSJ reports on VZ versus AT&amp;T and Sprint. If either of those raised it&#8217;s ETF, Mr. Paczkowski would be all over them. </p>
<p>Both Sprint and AT&amp;T subsidies their phones. How much do you think the subsuidy is for an iPhone or a PRE?</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Waggett</title>
		<link>http://digitaldaily.allthingsd.com/20091106/ve/comment-page-1/#comment-17504</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Waggett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 19:45:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Andrew

Because in my case, I&#039;ve had to return my Omnia 3 separate times over the first 7 months of my contract.  Verizon will not replace it with anything other than an Omnia unless you return it 3 times in 90 DAYS.  My current Omnia is now acting up, too -- it is unreliable.  I know it was made by Samsung but Verizon&#039;s obligation includes actually being able to USE their vaunted network.</description>
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<p>Because in my case, I&#8217;ve had to return my Omnia 3 separate times over the first 7 months of my contract.  Verizon will not replace it with anything other than an Omnia unless you return it 3 times in 90 DAYS.  My current Omnia is now acting up, too &#8212; it is unreliable.  I know it was made by Samsung but Verizon&#8217;s obligation includes actually being able to USE their vaunted network.</p>
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		<title>By: King for a Day: Verizon &#124; Business is Personal</title>
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		<dc:creator>King for a Day: Verizon &#124; Business is Personal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 18:21:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Andrew Wells</title>
		<link>http://digitaldaily.allthingsd.com/20091106/ve/comment-page-1/#comment-17501</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Wells</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 17:48:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t see what the problem is.  You have the CHOICE of either a contract or a retail phone.  Don&#039;t want the contract?  Shell out a few extra bucks.  Otherwise, sign the contract.

Why should Verizon offer the phones at a loss if you can cancel it and keep the phone?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t see what the problem is.  You have the CHOICE of either a contract or a retail phone.  Don&#8217;t want the contract?  Shell out a few extra bucks.  Otherwise, sign the contract.</p>
<p>Why should Verizon offer the phones at a loss if you can cancel it and keep the phone?</p>
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		<title>By: mike skorniewski</title>
		<link>http://digitaldaily.allthingsd.com/20091106/ve/comment-page-1/#comment-17499</link>
		<dc:creator>mike skorniewski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 16:49:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That isn&#039;t too bad, I was with rogers here in Canada, and they want me to pay a $500 Early-Termination fee and that&#039;s with 2 years left out of my 3 year contract.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That isn&#8217;t too bad, I was with rogers here in Canada, and they want me to pay a $500 Early-Termination fee and that&#8217;s with 2 years left out of my 3 year contract.</p>
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		<title>By: Craig Veresh</title>
		<link>http://digitaldaily.allthingsd.com/20091106/ve/comment-page-1/#comment-17498</link>
		<dc:creator>Craig Veresh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 16:19:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ms. Stark, then by that logic Verizon should a policy plan whereby the consumer pays less money each month if there is an unsubsidized phone purchase a la T-Mobile.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ms. Stark, then by that logic Verizon should a policy plan whereby the consumer pays less money each month if there is an unsubsidized phone purchase a la T-Mobile.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Waggett</title>
		<link>http://digitaldaily.allthingsd.com/20091106/ve/comment-page-1/#comment-17454</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Waggett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 17:40:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Verizon&#039;s Terms of Service says that you can get out of your contract without the early termination fee if changes in the TOS constitute &quot;material hardship&quot;.

Considering that Verizon will have to change the TOS on 15 November, I am going to say that the doubling of the ETF is a material hardship.  The TOS does not define the term, so Verizon cannot determine what constitutes a material hardship for me.

Thoughts?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Verizon&#8217;s Terms of Service says that you can get out of your contract without the early termination fee if changes in the TOS constitute &#8220;material hardship&#8221;.</p>
<p>Considering that Verizon will have to change the TOS on 15 November, I am going to say that the doubling of the ETF is a material hardship.  The TOS does not define the term, so Verizon cannot determine what constitutes a material hardship for me.</p>
<p>Thoughts?</p>
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		<title>By: TechKive &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Is Verizon&#8217;s New Early-Termination Fee Anti-Consumer? [Digital Daily]</title>
		<link>http://digitaldaily.allthingsd.com/20091106/ve/comment-page-1/#comment-17438</link>
		<dc:creator>TechKive &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Is Verizon&#8217;s New Early-Termination Fee Anti-Consumer? [Digital Daily]</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 03:50:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Andrew Augustine</title>
		<link>http://digitaldaily.allthingsd.com/20091106/ve/comment-page-1/#comment-17437</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Augustine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 03:37:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Verizon has the right to price their phones up to the MSRP, and collect full payment:

In a free enterprise economy, companies should be free to charge whatever they want for a product, and people should be free to obtain that product from any company or person they want.  Verizon has every right to provide their customers with the option to pay for the product in full or have the price of the product prorated over time, be it two or three years.  If the customer decides to leave Verizon’s network, they should be held responsible for paying the balance of the cost of the phone.   Isn’t that how business is conducted in America?

Once the customer pays for the phone in full, the phone should be unlocked:

If a customer leaves Verizon’s network, they should be obligated to pay the balance of the phone.  No free ride, it is how business is conducted in America.  If you owe money to a bank, and you decide to close your account after two years, should all of your outstanding loans (or debt) be forgiven?  Business is generally conducted based upon mutually accepted agreements, which both parties are required to adhere to.  The customer’s purchase should also be protected.  Verizon should unlock all phones that are fully paid for.  Likewise, the customer should be able to sell their phone to either a new or existing Verizon customer who should be allowed to activate the phone at a cost that is not greater than Verizon’s current activation fees.

Who wins in these scenarios?

This is a win-win situation for both Verizon and her customers.  Verizon get’s to recover the full cost of the device if the customer leaves, and the customer gets a highly sophisticated, functioning device that has most of its core functionality, less the voice/data plan.  If the device is a smart phone that has Wi-Fi internet access built-in, it must be unlocked and fully functional after the contract ends or is terminated (if it is fully paid for).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Verizon has the right to price their phones up to the MSRP, and collect full payment:</p>
<p>In a free enterprise economy, companies should be free to charge whatever they want for a product, and people should be free to obtain that product from any company or person they want.  Verizon has every right to provide their customers with the option to pay for the product in full or have the price of the product prorated over time, be it two or three years.  If the customer decides to leave Verizon’s network, they should be held responsible for paying the balance of the cost of the phone.   Isn’t that how business is conducted in America?</p>
<p>Once the customer pays for the phone in full, the phone should be unlocked:</p>
<p>If a customer leaves Verizon’s network, they should be obligated to pay the balance of the phone.  No free ride, it is how business is conducted in America.  If you owe money to a bank, and you decide to close your account after two years, should all of your outstanding loans (or debt) be forgiven?  Business is generally conducted based upon mutually accepted agreements, which both parties are required to adhere to.  The customer’s purchase should also be protected.  Verizon should unlock all phones that are fully paid for.  Likewise, the customer should be able to sell their phone to either a new or existing Verizon customer who should be allowed to activate the phone at a cost that is not greater than Verizon’s current activation fees.</p>
<p>Who wins in these scenarios?</p>
<p>This is a win-win situation for both Verizon and her customers.  Verizon get’s to recover the full cost of the device if the customer leaves, and the customer gets a highly sophisticated, functioning device that has most of its core functionality, less the voice/data plan.  If the device is a smart phone that has Wi-Fi internet access built-in, it must be unlocked and fully functional after the contract ends or is terminated (if it is fully paid for).</p>
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